ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Kevin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:23 am

I noticed some very tired looking skating yesterday......from almost everyone. Olympic burn-out seems to be a very real thing this year. What a travesty for the pairs. It really makes me wonder what *could* have happened if Luba & Dylann were there.

Glad to see Gabby come back strong - I think she was undermarked (though maybe not if there was an edge call), and Katelyn is still very much in the mix for Bronze, or even silver if Carolina has a weak free skate. She has a pretty huge lead though, so it looks like the podium is a guarantee for her.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:18 am

If you missed last evening's Day 1 "round-up" on CBC, the video is available here: https://t.co/mo2nQnODkw

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by kittykins » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:06 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:14 am
Kevin wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:55 am
Wow - this really is turning into a bizarre event. It seems there are more withdrawals then I ever remember. I'm really concerned how this will play out for some countries, and their chances to secure spots for next year's Worlds.
The spots for 2019 Worlds will definitely be something to watch, Kevin.

Several of the withdrawals seem to be due to stress fractures/similar injuries, not just the usual post-Olympic fallout.
Yes, I'm thinking of Canada at the moment. Can someone explain to me what happens with the 3rd skater's placement if really low affects the spots for the next worlds? Ok, for example Larkyn...she didn't qualify for the FS and was 25th, so how will this enter into the overall points for Canada's ladies?

I enjoyed watching the Men's SP this morning, although I did not watch until 7:30 a.m. or so. I don't have the same stamina as you Elizabeth. ;) I'll have to watch the first 4 flights later.

Btw, the quote within a quote is now working automatically...thank goodness.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Qualification of spots for next year is only based on the placement of the top 2 skaters, even if there are 3 competing.

If there are only 2 skaters/teams competing and one does not qualify for the free skate - the one that does must finish in the top 10 (except in pairs) or the top 11 (in pairs) to maintain 2 spots for the next year. The "magic number" is 28 or less - those who don't qualify for the free skate in men, ladies or dance automatically receive 18 points; in pairs they receive 17 since only 16 pairs go forward to the FS.

This also applies if there were 3 skaters/teams competing and only 1 qualifies for the free skate, since only the placement of the top 2 skaters counts.

The "magic number" for 3 spots is 13 or less if there are 2 skaters whose placement counts.

Different rules apply if there is only 1 skater/team competing.

This is from the Wikipedia entry for World Figure Skating Championships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Fig ... of_entries
Each national federation is entitled to send one entry per discipline. Depending on their results at the previous year's competition, some countries are allowed to send a second or third entry. If a country has only one entry, that skater/team must place in the top ten to earn a second entry and in the top two to earn three entries to next year's championships. If a country has two or three entries, their combined placement (best two) must be 28 or less to keep two entries for their country, and 13 or fewer to qualify three entries. All skaters who qualify for the free segment but place 17th or lower receive 16 placement points. All skaters who compete in the short segment but do not qualify for the free receive 18 placement points. Entries do not carry over and so countries must continue to earn their second or third spot every year.

Number of entries this year .... To earn 3 entries next year...........................To earn 2 entries next year
1..........................................Place in the top 2............................................Place in the top 10
2..........................................Total placements is equal to or less than 13 ........Total placements is equal to or less than 28
3..........................................Top two placements is equal to or less than 13 ......Top two placements is equal to or less than 28

There are exceptions if a skater is forced to withdraw in the middle of the competition due to a medical emergency or equipment problems.
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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by kittykins » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:39 pm

Thanks Elizabeth! I feel better now!

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:54 pm

kittykins wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:39 pm
Thanks Elizabeth! I feel better now!
I'm glad :)

It's a question that comes up every year :D

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:11 pm

Heading into the pairs free skate, here is some information about the sole CDN team competing:
Kirsten Moore-Towers said yesterday:
"I’ve been struggling with an ankle injury for the past couple of weeks so it has been difficult and this was our first full run through since the Olympics. The key for us (for FS) will be to stay focused and present in every moment."
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Start order: http://www.isuresults.com/results/seaso ... SEG006.HTM

Detailed (local) time schedule: http://www.isuresults.com/results/seaso ... hedule.pdf

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Kevin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:58 pm

Kirsten looked in obvious pain at the conclusion of the short program. Those were NOT tears of joy! I really hope they can hang on and stay in the top 10. We'll know in the next hour or so......

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:33 pm

Kevin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:58 pm
Kirsten looked in obvious pain at the conclusion of the short program. Those were NOT tears of joy! I really hope they can hang on and stay in the top 10. We'll know in the next hour or so......
When Paul Martini asked her about the "emotion" at the end of the program, she admitted to being in pain and spoke about the injury.

They are currently on the ice for the warm-up of the 2nd group of pairs in the FS - they will skate last in the group.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Kevin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:02 pm

I won't spoil it for anyone who didn't watch live..........

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:24 pm

Kevin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:02 pm
I won't spoil it for anyone who didn't watch live..........
Quite a competition!!

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:35 pm

Moving forward to Day 3 - the short dance and the ladies free:

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by kittykins » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:44 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:24 pm
Kevin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:02 pm
I won't spoil it for anyone who didn't watch live..........
Quite a competition!!
I was thinking the same thing Kevin.

I felt badly for the Knierim's. It was clearly Alexa's difficulty with not being strong enough or not enough stamina. I'm sure the digestive problems she was having finally caught up with her after this grueling season. She is fortunate to have such a supportive husband in Chris. They've had one heck of a couple of years!

From wiki: "Alexa Scimeca Knierim became sick in April 2016, and her illness interrupted the Knierims' training throughout the summer months. She was properly diagnosed with a rare, life-threatening gastrointestinal condition in August and underwent two abdominal surgeries that month.[14][15] The pair resumed light training in late September.[16] Scimeca Knierim underwent additional surgery on November 1 and returned to training by the middle of that month.[14]

Scimeca Knierim's illness involved regular episodes of vomiting, debilitating pain, difficulties with sleeping, eating or drinking, as well as significant weight loss.[14] Already small, she lost 20 pounds and shrunk to just over 80 pounds.[17][18] Knierim stated that when his wife initially returned to the ice following surgery, she had to hold his hands just to skate around in circles and could only skate for 10 minutes before having to go home for a nap because it was so physically draining.[19] The pair withdrew from both of their Grand Prix events, the 2016 Rostelecom Cup and 2016 Cup of China, and the 2017 U.S. Championships. They resumed full training in January[20] and were named to the U.S. team for both the 2017 Four Continents Championships and the 2017 World Championships."

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:31 am

After all of that illness last season, the Kneirems were US national champions this season and placed 15th at the Olympics - the same position as they just finished at Worlds. Their ISU biography: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00034201.htm

She looked decided unwell yesterday but it may not have been anything to do with her previous problems.

One well-known US reporter took to Twitter to criticize them, and all US pairs, suggesting that they shouldn't even "bother". His posts were not well received!

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:34 am

Bev Smith on Kirsten Moore-Towers & Michael Marinaro who, despite being the only CDN team to make the free skate, managed to ensure 2 spots for next year: https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/20 ... -marinaro/

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:00 am

The short dance is underway with the top 20 out of the 31 couples set to qualify for the free dance. The CBC live stream is excellent.

A familiar, but not well-liked, face from the past was introduced in the audience. The current President of the ISU was "in the house" for the Pairs FS and handed out the medals
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After the first three of seven warm-up groups have competed, the first team to qualify for the first dance is.....




Canada's Soucisse and Firus :)

Four more groups to compete, with the other two CDN teams in group 6 & 7.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:49 am

A withdrawal has been announced from the ladies FS, according to IFS Magazine on Twitter:
South Korea's Dabin Choi withdraws from FS @ #WorldFigure - her right skate boot is broken. "The boot was already weak when I got here. I have been taping it, but it finally gave way at the first practice. In SP I felt the boot gave no support and I am afraid of risking injury."

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Kevin » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:32 pm

Uhm.......OMG!!! Don't miss the women's event!!

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:04 pm

Kevin wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:32 pm
Uhm.......OMG!!! Don't miss the women's event!!
You can say that again and again!!

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Judy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 pm

And she led her two fellow medalists in a victory lap before going to the cameras. ( good for her). But she didn't see the carpet at the end of the ice put there for the flag raisers and ended up falling and wrapping herself in the large flag she'd been given. Her fellow medalists helped her up and we all had a good laugh after crying while singing "O'Canada".

We saw some awesome skating tonight but lots of splats too. Rink was full.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:45 pm

Although the final results of the ladies FS had not yet been shown on TV across Canada, obviously Judy is in Milan and has "spilled the beans".


Here's the flag-wearer Judy was referring to...



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And here's a fabulous action shot from her free skate
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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:07 pm

And here are all the medalists in the ladies FS

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And the ISU story on what happened: https://t.co/T6pypH8gRq

Here's an NBC article on the ladies event: http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/03/2 ... ree-skate/
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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:15 pm

Tomorrow we move on to the final day of competition - first the free program for the men and then for the ice dancers.

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by kittykins » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:58 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:06 am
Bad news for 2 of the pairs skaters (one of them Canadian) -
From Meagan Duhamel on Twitter -
Extremely disappointed in @lufthansa who lost the luggage and skates of two pairs skaters competing at #WorldFigure in Milan tomorrow!!! This is unacceptable 😡🤬 #findthosebags #Lufthansa #terribleservice
From Jackie Wong on Twitter -
Drew Wolfe and Alex Kang Chan Kam were not on practice yesterday. The pairs short program is tomorrow. Luckily, there are boot and blade folks onsite, but geez.
Hope this gets "sorted" QUICKLY!

According to some sources, Alex's partner has her skates but no luggage. Edea is providing Alex with skates. They may have to skate in rented black leotards.
Didn't Carolina Kostner lend her an outfit to wear? I think that's what I heard.

Well, what an exciting night! I was so happy about Kaetlyn winning the gold. Thanks for your perspective Judy. It must be so cool to be there! I couldn't tell what she tripped on, but Elizabeth filled me in before I read your post. I think Kaetlyn's consistency and the fact that she is a very balanced skater won it for her. If you look at her technical and program component scores they are very equal. I don't approve of skaters doing all their jumps at the last half of the program to get more marks. "Putting your eggs on in one basket" can be risky and I do believe it backfired on Alina Zagitova today due to fatigue, Olympic burn-out or whatever. It made one feel sad to see how disappointed she was. She's young though and so consistency is more difficult I'm sure. It looks like Gabby sprained her foot or ankle based on how she was rubbing it and her hint of injury during the post-competition interview. Wow, that poor Russian skater didn't have a chance sandwiched between the two Canadian girls....j/k of course, but it's nice to have two women from Canada at the top.

I remember Karen Magnusson winning the gold, but we heard about it later due to the time difference. I then watched it in the evening. I was only 12 almost 13 at the time and now I'm almost 58 to put things in perspective.

I wish Keegan the best. To put his SP scores in perspective, they were higher than Patrick Chan's at the Olympics. It's nice to see how much he enjoys skating....

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Re: ISU World Championships - Milan, Italy - March 19-25, 2018

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:27 am

Kittykins asked:
Didn't Carolina Kostner lend her an outfit to wear? I think that's what I heard.
If you are referring to Camille Ruest, it was actually Kirsten Moore-Towers that loaned her an outfit to wear. They are are "training mates" in Montreal.

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