ISU GP 2018/19 - Event #4 - NHK Trophy - Nov. 9-11

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ISU GP 2018/19 - Event #4 - NHK Trophy - Nov. 9-11

Post by Elizabeth » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:29 pm

The current competitors, by discipline: http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent03111622.htm

Note that Gabrielle Daleman's name has now been removed from the list of competitors but Leonova of Russia and Craine of Australia have recently been added.

The time and practice schedule: http://www.isuresults.com/schedules/gpj ... hedule.pdf

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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:32 pm

The official announcement from Skate Canada about Gabby Daleman's withdrawal: https://skatecanada.ca/2018/10/daleman- ... hk-trophy/

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Post by Elizabeth » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:20 pm

And now troubles for another Canadian competing at NHK.

This is from Kevin Reynolds on Facebook today:
Hi everyone, I have a bit of unfortunate news to share: as a result of an ongoing dispute with one of the shared rightsholders of the music, I have been forced to abandon my free skate to Ni no Kuni.

I apologize to the many fans who were looking forward to seeing it at the upcoming NHK trophy in Hiroshima. The timing of this is extremely distressing, but I will do the very best that I can in the limited time I have before the event to prepare an alternate free skating program.

I ask for your continued support, and thank you for your understanding.

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Post by kittykins » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:11 pm

Oh no x2!! I'm sorry to hear that about Gabby and Kevin too. He must have shed a few tears over that one. I don't get some of these owners of the rights to music...they haven't figured out that exposure to their music would be a good thing...awful. I've never heard of that but I suppose it happens all the time and I don't know it. I hope Gabby gets the help she needs. Skating creates awful pressure that way and some people are just naturally more hard on themselves.

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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:22 am

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Things are getting set up for the NHK Trophy in Hiroshima.

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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:26 pm

The ISU has announced the withdrawal of Papadakis & Cizeron from the NHK Trophy 2018.

https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/ ... vents/file

It is apparently due to an injury in practice: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/11/ ... on-injury/

Meanwhile, Skate Canada has an article about the 5 skaters that will be representing Canada there: https://skatecanada.ca/2018/11/five-can ... hk-trophy/

The schedule for the live stream on CBC Sports is here: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/wint ... /broadcast NOTE that it begins overnight Thursday night/early Friday morning our time.

The CBC TV schedule is:
Sat Nov 10 - 3:00 PM EST - Road to the Olympic Games: Championship Figure Skating: Grand Prix of Japan - Men's Free & Ladies Free Programs
Sun Nov 11 - 3:00 PM local time - Road to the Olympic Games: Championship Figure Skating: Grand Prix of Japan - Ice Dance Free Dance

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Post by Kevin » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:53 am

kittykins wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:11 pm
I don't get some of these owners of the rights to music...they haven't figured out that exposure to their music would be a good thing...awful. I've never heard of that but I suppose it happens all the time and I don't know it.
As a musician, who earns my living from my craft, I cannot tell you how many times I've been asked to play for free, because it's "good exposure". It's about the most insulting thing that can be said to an artist - that what they devote their life's work to is viewed by others as worthless. A legendary craigslist post & reply shines a perfect foil to this perception:

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Bottom line - if you're going to use someone else's product, then you pay for the privilege. Intellectual property should be taken very seriously. If Kevin's team did not take the steps to make sure his music was properly cleared BEFORE embarking on the season's preparation, then the blame falls squarely on him.

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Post by Elizabeth » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 am

I agree with you, Kevin. An additional piece of background information has to do with the composer concerned in relation to Kevin Reynolds' music choice. He is known to be very difficult to deal with/protective of any "manipulation" of his original music, based on experience from Yuzuru Hanyu.

It will be interesting to see what is used at NHK.

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Post by Elizabeth » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:57 pm

And here is Danielle Earl's time conversion for "team no sleep"/NHK live stream watchers:

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Post by Elizabeth » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:49 pm

Everything is ready

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Post by Elizabeth » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:35 pm

The Japanese team look strong and ready for competition :)
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Re: ISU GP 2018/19 - Event #4 - NHK Trophy - Nov. 9-11

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:15 pm

PJ Kwong for CBC Sports gives her thoughts & medal picks on the NHK Trophy: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/figu ... -1.4889269

PJ with Tony Wheeler on Skate Talk Online and an NHK preview: https://youtu.be/xT6O5gEbNuA

ISU overview - GPF qualifications are at stake: https://www.isu.org/news/125-grand-prix ... teParam=15

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The Start Orders/Entries/Results page is now up:

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpjpn2018/

The CBC live streams will be accessible from here: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/figu ... -1.4893626

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Post by Kevin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:02 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 am
I agree with you, Kevin. An additional piece of background information has to do with the composer concerned in relation to Kevin Reynolds' music choice. He is known to be very difficult to deal with/protective of any "manipulation" of his original music, based on experience from Yuzuru Hanyu.
Can't say I blame him! If Johann Strauss were still alive, there would be a class action lawsuit for what a lifetime of skaters have done to the Blue Danube! :lol:

Another perspective to some who might not understand why a musician would be that protective of "manipulation", would be to liken it to cutting holes in a Monet, and then saying that it's ok because you saved the parts you liked best. It's a destruction of a carefully thought out work of art. There are laws that protect how copyrighted media can be used, and it's the prerogative of the artist to control that. They don't have to consent just because a skater wants them too.

I would be curious to know how this 'dispute' came to be. If the composer were contacted prior to the start of program development, this would likely have been resolved (positively or negatively) before the season began. The fact that it's occurring now - months into the season leads me to believe one of two things:

1. The composer was never contacted prior to Kevin using the music for his program, and has launched a dispute after the fact

2. The composer was contacted before the season, and Kevin knew there were going to be potential issues to resolve, but went ahead with the idea anyway.

Either scenario places the blame on his team for not taking the proper action, not with the composer for asserting his legal rights. The statement from Kevin Reynolds seems to make the composer out to be the bad guy, while not taking any responsibility for the situation he finds himself in.

Ok - end of rant - but I needed to get that all out!!!

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Post by happyheini » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:38 pm

Very informative "rant", thank you for the information, Kevin, it makes a lot of sense.

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Re: ISU GP 2018/19 - Event #4 - NHK Trophy - Nov. 9-11

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 pm

After being away from home for almost 24 hours and missing the first day of the NHK competition, I'm set up to watch at least some of the live stream of the second day on CBC. I'm not sure I'll be awake to see the men's FS to find out what Kevin skates to - it appears that his ISU biography has not yet been updated.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:54 am

Well, I made it through the rhythm dance and am now watching the pairs FS.

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Post by Kevin » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:58 am

I'm finding it very interesting to see how the +5, -5 rules, and the under-rotation and edge calls are really having an impact on skaters. Some of these scores are plummeting like crazy, and I wonder if there is a bit TOO much flexibility for judges to willingly push skaters up or down in the ranks. What I *don't* see, and wish I did, is more accurate representation and range within the component marks. This to me, is really where the difference lies between an enjoyable and memorable performance, and one that is simply a mark-grab.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:05 pm

Kevin wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:58 am
I'm finding it very interesting to see how the +5, -5 rules, and the under-rotation and edge calls are really having an impact on skaters. Some of these scores are plummeting like crazy, and I wonder if there is a bit TOO much flexibility for judges to willingly push skaters up or down in the ranks. What I *don't* see, and wish I did, is more accurate representation and range within the component marks. This to me, is really where the difference lies between an enjoyable and memorable performance, and one that is simply a mark-grab.
It is early days yet for a complete assessment of the revised judging rules - it certainly appears that the judges are not yet fully comfortable with how to apply the GOEs and are still not using the PCS marks independently as they should be. Hopefully reviews and more planned e-training/development will help going forward.

Meanwhile, at the NHK Kevin Reynolds unveiled a brand new program but still using Japanese music (that he previously used in 2011-2012). Thanks to Jackie Wong, you can see his FS here as shown on Eurosport: https://youtu.be/o-nutMQ-uDg
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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:02 pm

Many people are raving about the quality of the final group of ladies at NHK, including the history-making skate by the winner. You may have watched the live stream (live or archived) or you may want to watch the CBC coverage later today but, if not, you might want to watch the videos linked on the RockerSkating site by Jackie Wong: https://www.rockerskating.com/news/2018 ... free-skate

There were no CDN ladies competing so that competition is not mentioned in the Skate Canada "round-up" article: https://skatecanada.ca/2018/11/moore-to ... hk-trophy/
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Re: ISU GP 2018/19 - Event #4 - NHK Trophy - Nov. 9-11

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:46 pm

The final event of the NHK Trophy, the free dance, is now being live streamed by CBC Sports here https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/figu ... -1.4893626

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